Speed_Sheep 2005-07-29 22:10
I am currently testing Windows Vista Beta 1 X-64 edition.
I know I'm very early asking this, but I'm just curious.
Any ideas when you are going to develop an Ultramon version that will support Windows Vista?
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Christian Studer 2005-07-29 22:43
Windows Vista support is planned for UltraMon 3, current plans are to start working on Vista compatibility once Vista Beta 2 has been released.
BTW, UltraMon mirroring doesn't seem to be compatible with Vista Beta 1 (at least if desktop composition is active).
After using mirroring, I had to disable the UltraMon mirror driver in safe mode to get the system working again. I tested with an ATI Radeon X600 video card with LDDM drivers.
To disable the UltraMon mirror driver, select View > Show hidden devices in Device Manager, the driver is listed under the Display Mirror Driver group.
Christian Studer - www.realtimesoft.com
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mgm 2005-08-31 12:28
I am running Ultramon on Vista Beta 1(X86) with a Matrox G550 card. No obvious problems so far.
mgm
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Ken 2006-04-17 08:11
I was unable to disable the Display Mirror Device, under Vista build 5308, because it told me it couldn't load the Mirror Device Installer. So far, it is just an annoyance because I get the device installation failed message everytime I boot.
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Christian Studer 2006-04-18 00:18
Ken, see this thread for details on fixing this.
Christian Studer - www.realtimesoft.com
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Nick 2006-06-04 13:48
UltraMon 2.6 is NOT compatible with Vista Beta 2 though. So I guess now that Vista Beta 2 is out, hopefully soon we will get blessed with UltraMon 3.0 :)
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Christian Studer 2006-06-04 20:19
UltraMon will work better on Beta 2 than earlier releases, but to install it you'll need to disable the mirroring feature, otherwise setup will fail.
Christian Studer - www.realtimesoft.com
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Nick 2006-06-08 09:20
To be honest, it would be really nice if we could just get a 2.7 with the text issue for vista fixed. That way you could take your time working on a nice feature set for the full launch of UltraMon 3.0 which really wouldn't even need to be ready until Vista goes retail.
So hard to use it when you can't read what the names of the programs are :(
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Christian Studer 2006-06-08 10:03
Currently I have no plans for Vista support in 2.7 as this would require major changes.
3.0 Beta 1 should be out before the final release of Vista though.
Christian Studer - www.realtimesoft.com
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Joost 2006-06-12 01:49
I'm running Vista Beta 2 right now, with ultramon 2.6, the obvious problem is see is in the smart taskbar (that's the only thing I'm using...:P) The problem is that there isn't a button only the text of a window on that monitor, can't that be fix this in a small update? That would be great!
ltrz,
Joost
Windows Vista!
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Joost 2006-06-12 01:52
Ohw another problem is the buttons for moving the window to the other screen en spanning acros screens are missing, i think thats harder to fix.. And now I think about it, when you move a window to another screen it doesn't switch taskbars...
Windows Vista!
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Horia Lambrache 2006-06-22 00:27
I'm running 2.6 on Vista Beta 2 (5384) with everything disabled except for the smart taskbar.
With version 2.4 I could see an icon for each task but no text label next to the icon. Now with version 2.6, there is an icon for every task, and text that is black (very hard to see because of the dark grey background) BUT... there is not button around the task... just a floating icon/black text label!
I cannot imagine the black text is very hard to change to white? no? As far as a button is concerned, it would be nice.. but text legibility is more important, if I had to choose!
As far as all the other features (move to screen/expand to all screens) that obviously is VERY hard to fix, due the new title bar layout (plus the AERO/Glass theme).... it's very understandable that all these features will take time and a lot of rewriting to get working, if at all possible... but I beg that you issue a SMALL/MINOR update to fix the taskbar button/white text label issue!!
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StuMan1337 2006-06-28 09:35
I agree. A darker bar to match vista's along with white text would be plenty for now. It would just blend in so much better.
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Nick 2006-07-29 12:08
I agree, please just give us a simple patch to change the text to white. Even if it doesnt match all the fancy crap, just getting the text to be white so you can read it... You dont really want us to all forget about UltraMon because we have to stop using it because its absolutely impossible to read the smart taskbar do you?
Please a patch file for the text color, and then take your time and make a fancy perfect ultramon 3.0 by the time Vista goes final, that gives you at least 6 more months.
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Fabian 2006-09-07 23:42
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where's the problem? You could make all vista users happy by just changing the font color. That could be done in less than a minute but several month of annoying blah blah instead...
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roy cruse 2006-09-09 09:23
I would love to get my mits on a beta copy of ultramon beta - especially to try out anything Vista related.
I do alot of software testing professionally and am currently running Vista RC1 (5600) so im happy to help test if thats any use - where do i get the beta download...
Roy Cruse
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Christian Studer 2006-09-09 11:02
The first beta isn't out yet, but will be available publicly.
Christian Studer - www.realtimesoft.com
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Ian Gamble 2006-09-19 11:14
I am also running Vista RC1 5600, and would be glad to test any beta you have for vista. I played with it on XP, but I never bought it. If you sold a Vista version, I would definitely buy a copy.
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MrPissedon 2006-09-21 05:29
I would NOT buy a copy. Look through the forum, I think UltraMon 3.0 is what we call Vapourware. I'll rather preorder Duke Nukem forever.
By the way this font color bug is not Vista specific, same shit with WinXP and a dark Skin for the task bar.
This is such a stupid bug and could be fixed within seconds. As a paying user I would expect such a fix within a few days and get really angry seeing it take years. But you folks keep on posting feature requests and beg for being a beta tester. Your patience is just stupid. And paying for a program that is obviously buggy and NOT under development ist defenetly stupid.
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Christian Studer 2006-09-21 07:38
With what visual style do you have this problem?
I have tested with several styles with a dark taskbar and white or light blue task button text, and haven't noticed any problems.
Visual styles used for testing were Eclipse, Gem and Wisp.
Please note that UltraMon only supports visual styles (StyleXP), WindowBlinds isn't supported.
Christian Studer - www.realtimesoft.com
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sdfgdsg 2006-09-21 18:51
blah not supported, then $%§%&$# do support it. It's nothing else than chaning a font color to make it work with Blinds AND Vista.
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Clark 2006-09-27 00:28
Yeah, I would like to have the font color fixed, however I am happy for now with the ultramon taskbar even being the el-crappo default Windows 98 colors, as posted in a previous thread. For those that haven't left this thread to look for solutions, a workaround posted by Christian is:
"As a workaround, you could disable visual themes for UltraMonTaskbar.exe, the option is under properties for the file on the compatibility tab."
Works for me. Doesn't match the theme, but I do have dual taskbars for RC1, and that is the important thing for now. This IS a beta after all. My NVidia drivers don't work quite right, and my Audigy 2 won't install all devices... why would I expect more from anything else? Not to take anything away from Ultramon, but one must wonder how Vista doesn't support dual taskbars natively! At any rate, this fix works for me.
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Meshuggah 2006-09-27 18:33
I would have to agree with a few of the people on here. You have been developing this for almost 2 years now. I understand you must be a busy person, but the development for this program has been extremely slow. I too would have purchased this long ago, if it had not been for all the delays I have been reading for endless months. I've watched and watched, hoping you would post something, but never.
More and more people are using multiple monitors, and customizing their desktop environment. If you want your product to continue to succeed in this market, you must adapt and upgrade your current products to capture more people into seeing the benifits of multiple-monitor environents.
You are basically the only developer that has a program like this, and maybe that's why you are in no rush, but maybe, if you continue to stumble around, someone will come around and out do you.
For instance, what if the creators of Windowblinds itself, Stardock, decided to create a program much like this. In fact, maybe I will try and contact someone at Stardock and see if it's possible. I'm sure their team of developers could create something by the time 3.0 comes out.
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Silverbow 2006-10-05 06:12
I have been using ultramon for ages and it is a great app.
To all you @#*&^*@# wingers out there who complain about no vista support and who expect instant fixes... get real.
This software is made available for a pittance at $40 bucks. If you are going to winge why not winge about something real like world turmoil or straving children. Not this childish "my ultramon doesn't work with unreleased os or it won't work with some crappy I dont like the way windows looks so I'm gonna run Windows Blinds" kinda crap. Really, you make this kiwi so friggin mad.
Grow up... and to Christian, well done, good job and keep up the good work.
The road is never as wide as it is long
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Michael M. 2006-10-05 23:10
You don't understand how frustrating it is to seek a solution to an easily-fixed bug for hours on end -- all the while knowing that an answer could have been released years ago. Sure, it's not a big problem, and it's not changing our lives... but it sure does make working with two monitors a difficult task. Ultramon's purpose is to make things easier, and a hinderance such as this isn't making my life less difficult at all.
Please, Christian... do what you can.
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Sandman 2006-10-07 10:54
I must say people here are right.
Please take a look at the development and refocus it somewhat. Get a beta build for Vista out - even if it doesn't have any of the 'features' you intended for 3.0, just get a working taskbar...
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Christian Studer 2006-10-07 11:24
Support for this was added in 2.7.0, if the Aero theme is used on Vista UltraMon will use a white font for the taskbar buttons.
Christian Studer - www.realtimesoft.com
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Sandman 2006-10-10 10:56
Excellent!
I have been very critical of Ultramon's Vista compatibility but credit is given where credit is due...
Now get it transparent and you win the internet... :P
Joking! Its usable now - so continue going after the features and polish for 3.0!
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Angry 2006-11-22 05:34
1st off I love ultramon with windows XP.
I have a feeling that UltraMon 3 (even the beta) is a myth.... I keep seeing posts about it, but never see anything real.
Vista is out now! ! ! where is the new Ultramon.
If we can't get anything from Ultramon.com maybe someone else will step up and develop a similar solution.
Have a nice day.
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Annoyed 2006-11-28 02:03
You know what the saddest part of all this is, this is a program charged for. I mean really, does no one else have the ability to write this program? If I had the skillset I know I would be all over this... as there is money to be made for whomever can...
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Michael Edward Kohlman 2006-11-29 00:44
To be fair to Christian making this product work in Vista is likely much harder than many realize. During the MS Beta of Vista adding "UltraMon" capabilities to the UI was brought up on a number of occasions and MS passed on adding them as being "too complex/difficult to support across the wide variety of displays and hardware that would have to be supported". This may give some here that are frustrated an idea of what a challenge this possibly will be (i.e. even MS did not want to tackle this)
I want to see a true Vista-capable product as much as the next person and will back that by buying a volume license when it is released. But people need to realize that if were simple there would be a lot more products out providing these capablities.
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eric 2006-12-08 10:57
I have been using ultramon for years and have grown quite attached to it. In fact It now goes from a want to a have to have. I hope he can get this working on vista soon. I am rather shocked to see its not built into vista. I was in my office today dragging windows to the left and right screens and my mife wanted in and said why dont you use the buttons? I said I dont have them anymore. The actual thing I miss the most is the task bars on the extra monitors. Why did ms not include this feature? having a single monitor with 20+ programs on the task bar and those programs being on any one of three monitors makes things more confusing than intuitive. All I can say is the developer could have been out of a job had ms done vista multiple monitor support right...but since they didnt props to you and please get version 3.0 of that program done ASAP! :)
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Thomas 2006-12-09 20:08
Eric friend, you can just install Ultramon and use it without the transparent taskbar.. It looks like shit, but works!
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Anonymous 2006-12-12 11:12
Michael Kohlman is right about how difficult it is to support this properly. Longhorn *used* to have an Ultramon-style desktop-specific taskbar, but that was two years ago.
See this archived page from July 2004, where Christian reviews the multi-monitor toolbar in Windows Longhorn build 4074: http://web.archive.org/web/20060422171403/http://www.realtimesoft.com/multimon/reviews/winlh/
Quote from the review: "A taskbar is added to each monitor, and only shows the tasks from the monitor it is on. Optionally you can also have a single taskbar only." This was dropped in later builds of Longhorn.
If you've been using Ultramon for a while, and have seen various issues with each upgrade, you'll know how much of a hassle it is to keep this thing running. Regression risk for each change is extremely high since there's probably *some* program, *some*where, that's doing things wrong.
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experts 2007-01-04 15:29
Hi guys,
Just checking if there is any progess on this issue O.o
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gcdryden 2007-01-14 06:31
I think "persons" complaining about slow development is the same person. He is just being negative. Pay no heed to him. I have been using ultramon for a few years now, I havent seen an issue with Ultramon other than the transparency (spelling?) issue. But this is a recent issue only within the last year. I just haven't used glass themes and I'm ok with it until its fixed.
Props to you Christian Studer, great product, though is another developer does do something with greater resources, there could be an issue
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Andy 2007-05-30 05:56
hi, just wanted to suggest a feature for UltraMon. This probably has been requested before, but more people post sam erequest maybe more chances to impliment that feaure :D, Anyways
You know how Vista's taskbar has a nice preview of open programs? so it would be a nice feature if UltraMon implimented the same thingy.
Also it would be nice to have a UlraMon taskbar right click options same as Windows: like, Task Manager, etc etc
also to impliment toolbars just like Windows taskbar has; quick Launch, Media Player etc etc
Thank you for consideration
Andy
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Christian Studer 2007-05-30 11:01
Thanks for the suggestions, will be considered for UltraMon 3.
Christian Studer - www.realtimesoft.com
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Mister Skippy 2007-10-22 11:39
One thing which is preventing me from making the jump to Vista for my primary OS is that apparently nVidia can no longer get span view to work. This was integral to one game I play (World of Warcraft). I don't really want to jump back and forth for when I want to play a game that I need to have using both montiors. (It doesn't natively support dual view, only one monitor as presented by the OS, i.e. span view)
OTOH, I was given a Zune. Which won't run on XP 64 bit.
SO my options right now are to reinstall XP 32 bit, so I can get wow in span view and the zune working. Or dual boot Vista and XP. *sigh*
Any change Ultramon will have span view capabilities for Vista?
Mister Skippy
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Christian Studer 2007-10-23 09:40
UltraMon can't help with this, span mode would need to be supported by the video card driver.
Christian Studer - www.realtimesoft.com
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Ola Ström 2007-12-03 20:53
How far has you come with UltraMon 3.0?
Will there be another Beta or is the final release close?
Ola Ström
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Fud 2007-12-03 23:16
I wish I'd seen this thread before installing. I can't fully uninstall Ultramon on Vista. The DISPLAYMIRROR key in the registry is protected. I still get the broken taskbar background, and device manager shows blank.
I've managed to stop it asking for drivers but I'm afraid it's just plain broke. Reinstall Windows for me.
Take care b4 installing on Vista.
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Christian Studer 2007-12-04 10:51
This issue was fixed in 2.7.1, older versions are not compatible with Vista.
See this thread for a fix for the issue with the mirror driver.
Christian Studer - www.realtimesoft.com
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